About Winnie & Nelson: Portrait of a Marriage, J.M. Coetzee says that this is a biography that will probably not be superceded for a very long time. Jonny Steinberg described Nelson Mandela as a “brilliant actor” – a safety mechanism he learned when he was taken from his birth village to the Tembu royal home at 11, where he felt out of place and humiliated. About Winnie, he tells how, as the middle child of 11 children, she always tried to win the favour of her father and how the authorities at Brandfort saw this weakness and exploited it. Jean Meiring talks to Jonny over Zoom about this story of a marriage torn apart – a union of many masks and one that he believes is, in a darker way, also the story of South Africa.